Harry Weidner: 0:03

All right, welcome back to our tangled mines

Jack Weidner: 0:10

Welcome to our tangled minds.

Harry Weidner: 0:12

I'm Harry Weidner.

Jack Weidner: 0:13

I'm Jack Weidner.

Harry Weidner: 0:14

No you're not don't Jack Bagnato

Jack Weidner: 0:16

god damn ulit name for 25 years and you it changes,

Harry Weidner: 0:22

but how many times do you say like your first and last name?

Jack Weidner: 0:27

People I don't know if I have any friends that listen to this podcast. If I have friends that listen this podcast, I want you to email us at our tangled vines@gmail.com and say how many times I use my last name and conversation I never introduce myself. As with my last name, I am never Jack Weidner. I'm never John Weidner. I'm never Mr. Weidner. I'm not Mrs. Weidner. I am, Jack.

Harry Weidner: 1:00

But I don't use my every every time we record I'm like he's gonna get it right this No fuck.

Jack Weidner: 1:06

I think I got it right once. And Neato.

Harry Weidner: 1:10

No. So anyway, this is episode 24. And this is a I don't know, I don't know when we say that. We've been doing this for one year, but it's coming up. It's our first episode was posted. Yeah. On February 23rd, I think,

Jack Weidner: 1:29

Oh, shit. So this is like the one year anniversary.

Harry Weidner: 1:33

This is like the almost one year anniversary? Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 1:37

Wow. Oh, I know, like averaging about. We averaged about two a month. Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 1:44

that's good. That's good. I mean, how many should we have?

Jack Weidner: 1:49

But we skipped? I think two a month is better. I think

Harry Weidner: 1:52

we're good. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 1:53

I think you're great. Beautiful stuff.

Harry Weidner: 1:56

Yeah. So happy one year doing this are not quite one year, but like one year ish. One year. Jason, when you get

Jack Weidner: 2:03

to a point, you'll learn you've never been in a relationship long enough to understand this. Know, when you get to a point and an anniversary, and I think we're at this point, we're 24 and the vague ality of the the nearness to want an anniversary is enough. That's what matters. You're close

Harry Weidner: 2:21

to one year. We've made it one year. We've

Jack Weidner: 2:25

made it one year, especially by the time this was released on the 19th Presidents Day. That's that's basically the 23rd Oh,

Harry Weidner: 2:32

the 19th is Presidents Day. Yep. I'm like pretty sure I still have to work them.

Jack Weidner: 2:37

I am off. But you might work your clients will not be working because the guy knows off.

Harry Weidner: 2:43

But we'll be getting work done for them. Yeah, we work hard so they don't have to

Jack Weidner: 2:48

that is every contract.

Harry Weidner: 2:51

So I don't know what have we talked about in the past year, a whole lot of not much talked

Jack Weidner: 2:56

a lot of so much stuff.

Harry Weidner: 3:00

What else is new? What have you been up to? Let's just do it.

Jack Weidner: 3:03

I went snowboarding this weekend. And I didn't want to go snowboarding. I I went skiing. And the people that I was skiing with. were new to skiing, and they don't like being new at things. So I said I will learn something as well.

Harry Weidner: 3:20

Whoa.

Jack Weidner: 3:21

Oh my Lord, it is so so we you and I have been skiing for 21 years now. i Mom and I did the math to completely transition to snowboarding because you're you're it's like a different plane of thought you were going down the mountain in a different way. Yeah, it is. So it is a just a crazy thing. And then I fell a lot and my I just might ask hurt so bad I bruised my like I don't know what like the to not not my tailbone but like the two bones, the bony processes off your issue. And if there is she'll tuberosities I don't know. If you're going to med school you'll learn I'll need to know I Bruce and they hurt so badly. And so one time I was like avoiding someone and in trying to avoid them. I fell so hard on my ass. And it like was one of those it stung and like it just it just I hurt myself so badly. And I felt pain for the real for real pain for the first time in a while and I just laid there and then I was scared to fall again because I was like oh my god. Like

Harry Weidner: 4:43

I hear that happens when people snowboard and fall.

Jack Weidner: 4:48

But so then I couldn't commit like before I was committing and I was like okay, this is fine. And I was like feeling myself on the edges

Harry Weidner: 4:56

and if you catch an edge then then it sucks. I caught

Jack Weidner: 4:59

an ad inch and I would face first into the snow just like completely buried my face. Not snow. It was ice because it was 50 degrees. I fell on ice. That's why it hurts so bad. It wasn't even slushy. It was just ice. Yeah. Was it Seven Springs? No Hidden Valley, because I heard Seven Springs is so crowded. It wasn't like a good place to learn

Harry Weidner: 5:23

is a lower

Jack Weidner: 5:24

mountain mountain. Yeah. But that's you remember it lower mountain. That's also not that's not a good. You don't learn? No, no. So the second day I went skiing, because, like, I just I was so sore. I was like, I'm not going to this talk. It'd be a productive day. And I had already bought a day pass. So I was like, I'm going to try to get my money.

Harry Weidner: 5:44

And you stayed at home?

Jack Weidner: 5:46

Yeah. drove out every morning. Wow.

Harry Weidner: 5:49

I guess I missed that. Because I was in Arizona.

Jack Weidner: 5:51

I tried to call you but you didn't pick up? Well.

Harry Weidner: 5:56

Right. I was on a run,

Jack Weidner: 5:57

right? No, no, no, I'm not talking about Monday. Or Sunday. I was I've been talking about. I tried to call you Friday. You were on an airplane.

Harry Weidner: 6:06

Oh, yeah. wouldn't have been able to answer. Yeah. American Airlines six hour flight. Super fun. That's brutal. Which honestly, I think that's where I got sick. I think that's why I'm not feeling well, right now. I think it was the airplane out and then it was building while I was there. And then I left. And now I'm I got some sniffles.

Jack Weidner: 6:27

I think my least favorite part about skiing. And this is so funny to me is

Harry Weidner: 6:34

the other you know, the

Jack Weidner: 6:37

food. Well, yeah. It's like, insane. Still.

Harry Weidner: 6:45

It's only gotten worse. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 6:47

I'm actually I feel like the prices are the same.

Harry Weidner: 6:52

What's like a slice of pizza like $12 $12. Wow. But just

Jack Weidner: 6:57

slice. It's like, all personal

Harry Weidner: 7:00

like a quarter pie. Yeah. But still, it was always crazy. Yeah. Huh. That's not fun. I when I was home for Christmas, I went cross country skiing. Yeah. And that was much more enjoyable then. People and you didn't have to. I didn't have to deal with anyone. I could bring my own snacks. It was awesome. I really had a good time. We

Jack Weidner: 7:23

stopped at a coffee shop though. And I bought some homemade granola. It's the best granola it's so dense though. I picked it up expecting store granola. My hand basically fell to the floor. It's a dense,

Harry Weidner: 7:37

like a good granola made with like fresh low pressure listed honey. Yeah, yeah. That sounds good. Yeah, it was great. Where was where was that play?

Jack Weidner: 7:48

It was on the way out to Hidden Valley. I don't know exactly like somewhere near Donegal. called Silver horse coffee. Pretty sweet. Yeah, they had burritos that were delicious, too. Well, that's

Harry Weidner: 8:01

fun. I'm glad you had fun. Yeah, it

Jack Weidner: 8:02

was great time. Good time.

Harry Weidner: 8:04

I have so I haven't gotten out this this year yet.

Jack Weidner: 8:07

I will he had you're done. What do you mean yet?

Harry Weidner: 8:11

I don't know. I'm busy. If you don't go

Jack Weidner: 8:13

this weekend. You're no I'm just saying like you didn't go out this year. Like I don't think you can say yet. Like the season's over. If you thought this weekend. I think it's not.

Harry Weidner: 8:22

No, you forget that I live up north.

Jack Weidner: 8:25

I don't think I

Harry Weidner: 8:28

imagine some of the mountains like up in Maine or Vermont are pretty decent still. I don't know. Johnny skiing today. He's skiing right now.

Jack Weidner: 8:36

Okay. Yeah, I'll have to say how it is. I'm not saying they want us. No, I'm just saying you might not be. Well, I

Harry Weidner: 8:41

mean, I will

Jack Weidner: 8:42

have time but right. So you're not

Harry Weidner: 8:46

so long story short, you're right. But I admit it.

Jack Weidner: 8:51

So why don't you tell the people about what you did this weekend cuz I want to hear about it. We haven't really talked Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 8:56

I went to Scottsdale Arizona with some of my best friends from college. And it was awesome. And we had just a blast really like the whole weekend. I couldn't stop laughing because everything everything was just awesome. So I

Jack Weidner: 9:15

just this is why it Talking with you is like exhausting because you go like I was in Scottsdale Arizona. You don't say why? You like I was with the fellas as if that describes and to me because I've no you enough describes exactly who you're with. And then you're like, it was like a vibe like it was just the it was great. It was why you were there. You don't say what you That was fun. You were like let me try to get I was laughing because like what it got like okay,

Harry Weidner: 9:47

let me try this again. Let me try this again. One of our friends has a house in Scottsdale and we all went down for the waste management open like the golf tournament. Can

Jack Weidner: 9:58

you explain what waste the waste of Management me because yeah, I actually don't know. I

Harry Weidner: 10:02

mean, I'm also not much of a golfer. So, but I do like to have fun. And so that's really what waste management is a lot of golf tournaments like you have to be respectful and quiet please yada, yada. But this you had to a little bit but the waste management is known as like the people's open. So people go to waste management to like, just yell and get a little rowdy on on a golf course. And it's it really is like it's all just like me imagine copy and pasting me and my friends hundreds and hundreds of times over the horrify. And so that's what it is. It's just like this rowdy golf tournament. Where on the 16 pole that you just yell, and it's a par three, and it's just fun. It's just a fun golf tournament and they sell beer everywhere. This year, it was interesting, because they actually had to stop alcohol sales because people didn't know how to contain themselves. So there, there were multiple arrests, a couple people had to get carried out. Lots of people got kicked out. It was chaotic. It was awesome. But what happened was it rained the week of and so normally doesn't rain in the desert. But here it had rained into the drainage was poor and it was muddy and people were falling down these hills of mud drum drunk. And it was it was it was absolutely chaos.

Jack Weidner: 11:37

Is it sponsored by the mafia? No, I

Harry Weidner: 11:40

sponsored by waste management.

Jack Weidner: 11:42

I asked the same question. I know, does it or does it allegedly have like ties to that? No,

Harry Weidner: 11:48

I don't think so. Okay. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't. Because but so we went on Saturday, which was the day they shut down. The alcohol sales and vibes were so high before they shut down the alcohol sales. And then they shut down the alcohol sales and everyone got grumpy and left. It was wild.

Jack Weidner: 12:11

So we left, I realized how bad was it how it was pretty shutdown alcohol sales. It

Harry Weidner: 12:17

was. It was pretty bad. There's a video of a guy like running into a sand trap on the 16th. And doing like Sandy drills. Well, people are golfing, like professional golfers are golfing. There were people just sliding down hills of mud and getting muddy. If you look online, like there are videos of just drunk people wandering around not knowing where they are. It was chaos. I

Jack Weidner: 12:49

would say this sounds like a golf tournament that I would like. That is not true because I don't think I like what it turns into. But I also hate golf. I don't know how to know

Harry Weidner: 13:01

this. This made golf fun. This made golf a lot of fun. It was it was great. Sounds like golf would be more fun. Yeah. And to be like in Arizona in the desert. What

Jack Weidner: 13:11

is Arizona? Okay, wait, it was very, I have an actual question. Yeah, I can answer. What is the dry heat? Like? Is it different? Actually, it

Harry Weidner: 13:18

wasn't that it was just about as hot. It was just about as hot there as it was here. So like 60 ish degrees. So it rained a little bit on Saturday morning. And it wasn't super warm. So like I said 60. Low 60s. Not too hot. I imagine if I remember this dry heat, though. Everyone says it's better. Well, when I was there two summers ago on my road trip. Oh, you're dry. He was awesome. To dry. He was very cool. It was like you don't feel yucky. You know, sometimes when you get out of the shower, and it's really humid outside, and you just never dry off. Yeah. You don't feel like that. I feel yucky all the time. Yeah. You don't have like residual yuck hanging out all over you. Right. So that's what, that's how I would describe it. But since I came back home on the Red Eye Monday night into Tuesday morning, it's just been an absolute battle to get my life back together and like feel okay again and recover. Because we were up until I don't know two or three in the morning every night there. And two or three in the morning. There is like four or five here. So I'm just all discombobulated out of whack screwed up. Sick. Behind on work

Jack Weidner: 14:43

on Yeah, I

Harry Weidner: 14:44

know. So um Wednesday was a particularly terrible day. I was just like, stressed all day long. But I was okay. I it's all it's all together again. They put Humpty Dumpty back together again. So, yeah,

Jack Weidner: 15:03

she didn't have a good Valentine's Day. No,

Harry Weidner: 15:06

I never do. I've never had a good Valentine's Day my entire life. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 15:10

The good karma holiday. Well, I

Harry Weidner: 15:12

think it's a terrible holiday. Or mother's always my valentine. Mom

Jack Weidner: 15:16

is the best Valentine. Yeah. Like she's loves Valentine's Day.

Harry Weidner: 15:23

I don't know why it's such a shithole in it. Yes. But I've also never been in like a relationship. So I have no,

Jack Weidner: 15:29

I've been I hate Valentine's Day.

Harry Weidner: 15:31

You didn't do anything? No, I

Jack Weidner: 15:33

did. So I went in so many particular. Oh, that's cool. It was awesome. He talked with his wife. And they just like he's so funny. It was great. It's a good time. Yeah, like I do things. I just, I don't like that. It's like, you have to do it this day. I think it's because I don't like being told what to do.

Harry Weidner: 15:51

Yeah, that works. That could be that adds up. That's yeah.

Jack Weidner: 15:56

We're gonna do a little Freudian analysis, like, like being told that that he has to do something. It's like, I'll be fucking romantic. But don't tell me to do it. Don't tell me. Don't tell me when? I'll tell you. I'll do what I've got them ready.

Harry Weidner: 16:10

But what is it fun about Valentine's day is like, tapping through the Instagram stories and seeing people that you didn't know, were in relationships in relationships. Like when did that happen? You know? Yeah, cool. Anywho

Jack Weidner: 16:23

I just want to let you know, I'm healthier and better than you because I'm off Instagram right now. Nice, man. Just kidding. I'm not better than anyone. I was addicted to it. And I lent you know how that is a thing right now. Yeah. And, you know, I'm not really Catholic, but like, I figured now's as good of an excuse as I need to just delete. Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 16:44

you're gonna have the most Jewish lend ever did. Am I allowed to say that? Can I say?

Jack Weidner: 16:52

I don't even know what a Jewish lamp would be like, well,

Harry Weidner: 16:55

it's whatever you're doing. Okay. No, I just have Instagram on my computer. So yes, you're better than me. But

Jack Weidner: 17:06

I just think it's funny. Like, everyone gives up social media. Which I think is a hard thing, because we are addicted to it. And like, which Yeah, I don't know. Like, it's exotic. It's like, Alright, keep it to yourself.

Harry Weidner: 17:22

Yeah, I,

Jack Weidner: 17:23

I just I say that, like I just told everyone that listens to this, but

Harry Weidner: 17:28

I don't know. I it's a good way to communicate with people who you don't often see. But two fellas that we all went to Scottsdale with, like, we all send each other funny. Instagram, you have a group

Jack Weidner: 17:44

chat. Right? So it's, well, we

Harry Weidner: 17:48

have a text message group chat, but also like, on Instagram. Can be funny. There's, there's a there's a group chat. Yeah. So I don't know. It's a good way. And like Snapchat as well. The only reason I still have Snapchat is because of those guys. Because every now and then someone will send something just hilarious. And then we'll have like little conversations, a little side conversation through Snapchat.

Jack Weidner: 18:17

I just used it to mindlessly scroll. Snapchat, no Instagram. So that's like, I think when it's not a good

Harry Weidner: 18:26

thing. No, no. Doom scroll.

Jack Weidner: 18:30

I'm really good at Doom scrolling.

Harry Weidner: 18:32

Yeah. As we recovered, I don't know if you're good at doom.

Jack Weidner: 18:37

I don't know if it comes across. But I'm particularly good at Doom scrolling. Um,

Harry Weidner: 18:44

let's go to you deleted it, then

Jack Weidner: 18:45

I'm like a professional. Good. I, someone was going to the airport. And I texted them. And I said, Do you need a ride? I just wanted to make sure. And they're like, No, I'm good. It's all covered. But thank you for thinking about me. And I literally sat back, I was like, I'm so good at worrying. It took zero effort to check out with you. That was the easiest thing I'll do all day.

Harry Weidner: 19:11

I'm a strong believer in taking people to the airport because it sucks.

Jack Weidner: 19:15

That is the least shocking thing out here. But I have

Harry Weidner: 19:18

taken so many people to the fucking airport. Also

Jack Weidner: 19:22

the least shocking thing out here all day. Harry does this thing where he will take a very hard stance that he hates something. He will complain about it for years. I mean, the same event like he could have taken me to the airport six years ago. He will still complain. I'll bring it up. He'll complain about it. But he'll do it. It's just it's like, you know, mom will be like, Oh, Harry. Harry is mad about this. And I'm like, Yeah, but he's doing it right. Like of course. Of course. He's very he's upset about something like

Harry Weidner: 19:55

yeah, I'm always pissed about some but I've never really pissed about any

Jack Weidner: 19:59

right like You're gonna do, like I hate. Go like, you're just like go to the airport is the worst thing in the universe. It sucks. And then you're like, really? Isn't you like, no. Do you do it all the time? Yeah. But yeah,

Harry Weidner: 20:14

I'm allowed. I'm entitled to my own opinions.

Jack Weidner: 20:17

I could play you know, I'm not gonna Yeah, I just think it's funny because Mom Mom loves mom is like, anytime you complain about anything. Mom is just like, oh, Harry's distraught. Like, it's like you need like a chase, where it's like, oh, God, hair.

Harry Weidner: 20:36

But I'm always happy. That's what's fun about it. You

Jack Weidner: 20:39

are? Yeah. So this is a good time, I think to transition into what I wanted to talk about today. Which is you being happy, which I think is relatively, you being alone, running or working out? Like I think you got a I want to talk about your process for running because I'm really curious about that. And you're, you know, you have a lot of running coming up. And a lot of a lot of exercise plans. So Harry wants to talk about hobbies. And that way, that way we can. That way, we could both talk about things. And I said, I don't have hobbies at the moment. And he said, You read me just what the people want to hear about my reading. I sit in a chair. Now, we're going to talk about

Harry Weidner: 21:34

you running right, so I'll let you drive the conversation. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 21:36

Okay. So I guess like, you were never a big runner growing up. So I guess I'd love to talk about your athletic journey. So you Oh, you always said sports with me. Um, and then I think at one point you got really into wanting to work out wanting to I don't want to say be healthy because it was more than that. Like you always were very attentive to like, if you went into something you went in 110%. So I remember, one time you started counting your calories. You were going like doing these workout regimens. In your experience. What was kind of the like, what's your what's your early relationship with sports? And when did it start to transition to this very serious side of yourself that you that you've become now?

Harry Weidner: 22:31

i In short, I don't know. I? Yeah, we played baseball, and I hated baseball. And we did a YSL. And I hated a why so soccer, did you soccer. And I never really enjoyed it. But I think I really started liking sports. Probably, like high school soccer, when it was about hanging out with like, the team. You know, I enjoyed the camaraderie of it more than I enjoyed the sport itself, because I was shit. I mean, I was shit at soccer. But I, what I really had fun with was when I started hanging out with like Jake, and Garrett and Brandon and Johnny, Jr, a little bit Junior and into senior year of high school. That's, that's when it became fun. And I ended up being a captain, not because I was good at soccer, but because I was good at organizing people. And it really was just a good morale guy. I was just glue guy for the team. So I offered nothing in terms of talent, but I offered a lot in terms of like, morale and fun and organization. And, and I ran some of the running workouts. But that's when I really started taking my health more seriously and considering fitness as something that I enjoyed. And it really was a matter of just like labeling myself as someone who works out, you know, and once I make that switch of I am this kind of person, then I can't undo it, because I've tied it in so closely with my identity. You know, so like, I am the kind of person that wakes up at 5am That's what I do. And now for the rest of my life. I can't not do that. Because that's, that's part of who I am. So, I have inter woven fitness and going to the gym and running and eating healthy like as part of my identity, my persona.

Jack Weidner: 24:50

So what So you said like what got you into sports was the camaraderie of it, you know, the socialization aspect. A lot of people I think do sport and don't know how many calories are in a chicken breast. And so like, what was your turn from? So you said you weren't very good at soccer. So obviously, like you weren't like, I don't remember you working, like on your, you know, dribbling skills in the back yard. Yeah. Because I never cared about. So what was the transition from like, okay, so this is a social thing to this is becoming a part of my personality. I

Harry Weidner: 25:28

think that's why I was never good at soccer. I think I was always better at managing, like, treating it as something that kept me healthy. And, and I cared more about that. And I've said this before, a million times. But if anything's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. And so like, the second that I identified as someone who likes to stay healthy and remain healthy, you bet your ass I'm gonna do it like 110%. Yeah. So that's when I started, like counting my calories, understanding how to work out properly, understanding how to run properly, and doing all of those things to ensure that I can be as healthy as possible. And even like, with this marathon thing we can get here, but like, I'm doing I'm noticing that I'm doing the same exact thing. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 26:22

Oh, we're gonna get we're gonna Yeah. I want to go back because I because I'm driving. Yeah, I'm driving us. We're gonna I'm in the backseat, you can cut this out. But I am curious. Do you think the hyper fixation on you being healthy stems from you at one point in your life not being healthy? Because there's a lot in your life where I think like, you're good at organizing people. And there's a lot where you're like, I can be in control of this and your grading control. You are always I feel like finding what you can control and mastering that. Yeah. So that's an independent thing.

Harry Weidner: 26:58

I mean, maybe it goes back to when I was not so healthy.

Jack Weidner: 27:03

I was talking about you being like, I'm not like,

Harry Weidner: 27:05

yeah, no, no, no, no, I know. But yeah, I think maybe it does go back to there. And that's, but that was so long ago that this is just how I've like lived

Jack Weidner: 27:18

life. Yeah. You can't necessarily trace it to those beginnings or you don't actively do that. No, I do want to clarify. Harry pulls me off because he is the type of person that will eat and this is before he started working out. He would eat a chocolate cake, a whole chocolate cake Matilda level of chocolate cake so and he would lose six pounds. And I would look at a salad and fear and gain 15 And that's just it's annoying. You just I just Harry has he eats so healthy. He has a sweet tooth like no other person I have met on this earth he could down a box of chocolate chip cookies. You've said this before on the podcast. It's just nuts to man. Because no one I don't think people know this about you. That you have just this incredible Sweet Tooth could people look at your your machine like what what fuels the machine? And I'm like, it used to be chocolate chip cookies. And he was just a he had it. He had less muscle.

Harry Weidner: 28:29

Yeah, no, I have the nastiest Sweet Tooth ever. I love cookies. I love sweets. And I love chocolate. So but I've been honestly really good about not eating that.

Jack Weidner: 28:42

I know. And that's what pisses me off. And it because like I liked. I liked when we'd have Christmas cookies, the reminder that you were human when you went off, started getting into really when you started working out. I liked the reminder that you were

Harry Weidner: 28:58

doing Christmas cookies are those anything? This

Jack Weidner: 29:01

would be gone. Peanut Butter blossoms.

Harry Weidner: 29:03

Ah does it Marcy's peanut butter blossoms. Wow.

Jack Weidner: 29:10

There's so good. Anyways, so that was the start of you kind of getting into working out. And I think when you first started working out you really liked going to the gym. Like I really a guy

Harry Weidner: 29:21

enjoy the gym. I love the gym. I really loved it. What do you like about the gym? I like the gym because it was honestly, I stopped I ran a little bit and then my joints just hurt. So I stopped running a lot. And then I started going to the gym and it was a lower impact thing that I could do. Well, no backtrack. Put that in reverse. Let's put it in reverse. So soccer, then CrossFit. Chrome. Remember I had a CrossFit Steve.

Jack Weidner: 29:54

Oh, of course I remember.

Harry Weidner: 29:57

And so I got really into CrossFit. And that was really an awesome blend of like community and working out super hard. But it was just too hard for me it was like people were thrown around weight. And I couldn't like my body didn't like it was

Jack Weidner: 30:16

because they were probably going around as much as you wait,

Harry Weidner: 30:20

yeah, oh easy. But what was really good about CrossFit for me is that when you're doing that, and if you're in a good CrossFit gym, they teach you proper form of how to do things. And so CrossFit, the training associated with that, once I just decided like, this is too much, this is too high impact for me, then it was a really good transition into entering the gym with proper form, then instead of going to CrossFit, I would just go to the gym. And that was awesome. That I really enjoyed. Because it was one of those things where I could wake up super early in the morning, I could go to the gym, I could feel incredible about myself, for the rest of the day. It's like, it's time by myself, where I don't have to talk to anyone. And I don't really have to think about anything that I don't need to think about. It's just like me time.

Jack Weidner: 31:14

See that. So enter, because you you said you really liked about the CrossFit gym, the community behind it.

Harry Weidner: 31:20

I don't know why I stopped liking the community aspect of it.

Jack Weidner: 31:24

Was that something you stopped liking? Because my least favorite part about the gym is that there are other people at the gym?

Harry Weidner: 31:30

Well, yeah, I'm still in contact with some people from the CrossFit gym. I don't know when working out for me, turned into something that I really liked doing alone. But that is now changing back into a community thing. Running. So can you Yeah, just interest we can get into this later.

Jack Weidner: 31:51

Oh, I definitely want to I'm just I'm you and I never sat and talked about our journey. Because I never thought about I never. And I'm really curious about because I watched you do all these things with disgust? Because it's gross. That's a joke. But I'm just curious about, you know, how you got to here. And I think that's, that's important for me. It's

Harry Weidner: 32:16

just for me, it's just been trial and error of like, what am I really enjoying? And how can I do more of it? And how can I do it? The best way possible? How can I do it the right way? Well,

Jack Weidner: 32:27

it seems to hit those certain notches in your brain that you just need to tick. Because it's like there's so you're going to the gym, there's a form that you can get better at. There is a level of pain that I know you love. You say you're not Catholic, but you like paying like a Catholic, which is interesting. And you're like, let's suffer a little bit. There's no there's that there's like that growth mindset that I think the gym offers. And it's, and it results in you being healthy. And I think you present it that way. But there's those miniscule things, those boxes to tick, that I think you really love. And that's been interesting to hear you talk about it provides

Harry Weidner: 33:12

me with a sense of controlled structure in my life control that I think I need. Like I I require it when I broke my collarbone and couldn't go to the gym. I was losing my mind. It's

Jack Weidner: 33:29

really an outlet for you. Yeah, it is.

Harry Weidner: 33:31

And it's, it's, it's great for me mentally. You know. So I think I really appreciate the dedication that I put in to fit Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 33:47

Yeah, well, I want to I there's one more thing I want to talk about, you can cut this but I am curious, because this is about us having a conversation not about that. I don't think about that. When you you would go to the gym with people, and more like like Jacob you mentioned, or like some of the soccer friends more or less enjoyable.

Harry Weidner: 34:07

It depends on what else is going on in my life. You know, and there were times when I would go to the gym with other people. And really think about like, Man, I kind of want to just do this by myself. But I've now gotten good at saying no to that. So an example over Christmas break. I was running a lot with Jacob. And it was the day before my Colorado interview. And I said Listen, man, like, I just kind of want to get this done by myself. And so I use that time alone to just clear my head and think through things that I needed to think through without someone else there. So it depends on what else is going on. And what I need to think about. It's

Jack Weidner: 34:54

really become a mindfulness thing for you it sounds like which I think is a really a Interesting fact that in contrast to how I look at, like my mindfulness stuff, so which we can end the podcast with, so Okay, so you're going to the gym. You never really were a runner. When and why did you start running again?

Harry Weidner: 35:19

Because I moved to Boston told myself that I'd run the half marathon. Oh, really?

Jack Weidner: 35:23

So this is a goal this this, because you were like, I'm gonna run. Okay. Yeah, that's like the myths here. I don't know why I expected something different. This

Harry Weidner: 35:31

started out of complete ignorance for how hard running was. And then I started training for the half not having any idea how to do it. And the most I had run before the half was four miles. My first half was four miles, and I was hurting. I was in pain after it after the four miles. And so I was like, yes, tripling this is going to be awesome. So but then day of the race, I had already signed up, I already put the money down. I might as well just show up and try and do it. Yeah. So I did it. And I was fun. That's why you started running. I started running because I moved to Boston. And I said, Boston equals running. I need to run. Yeah, that's why I started running. Re

Jack Weidner: 36:19

I don't even Okay, so it was just you being you being Yeah, wouldn't this be cool?

Harry Weidner: 36:24

Yeah, it was like, I this is something I can do. So did

Jack Weidner: 36:28

when you started running? Yeah.

Harry Weidner: 36:31

Oh, yes. I think I still hate it. Okay, that's very you too. But it goes back to the if anything's worth doing it's worth overdoing. Right, I ran the half. And I got into my head that I could run the full, because I didn't want to do anything half. So I was like, alright, well, I got to run a full marathon at some point. And, and it just kind of fell into my lap that Riley started running, he signed up for the half. And then we learned that you can run for Boston, through charity. This training block, I think I'm on week 12 Now of training for the marathon. And I hate running, but I love everything around it. Explain

Jack Weidner: 37:18

that. So like what's your day? Like? How do you? How do you what depends

Harry Weidner: 37:22

on which day and that's what's so fun. Because I've had to refine everything else in my life. It's been like a nice little shuffle of because when I was just going to the gym, I had it so down to a tee that it was completely mindless. But then I added running into this. And I had to switch up how I was working out and what I was working out what days so that I could accommodate a longer run. And I thought that I could lift and run every day. Boy, was I wrong because my body shut down for a little bit. And, and I was just in pain for for about a week straight after the mileage had increased too drastically. And I was still lifting. So I've had to readjust it. And it's been fun to see how much I can do without overdoing and adjusting my schedule. So what does my day look like? It depends on what kind of day it is like, today, I went to the gym. And I lifted, it was a push day. So I did chest shoulders tries. And this afternoon, after my new shoes are coming in my new running shoes are coming in, I'm gonna go run like a short slow five miles. And that's gonna be like a recovery five miles, because I'm excited about my new shoes. And then I have to run 20 Miles tomorrow, but I won't go to the gym tomorrow. And then Sunday, I'll do like a light recovery day, like 30 minutes of zone to cardio, just to get the legs moving and pushing some blood through through the legs that are going to be exhausted after this 20 miles. And then I'll stretch. And this whole process has forced me to think about working hard, but also recovering just as hard as I work. Hmm. And that's been fun as well. So I stretch for 20 minutes every night. And I really prioritize sleep. Not that I didn't do that before. But I now understand like, how vital it is to sleep well so that I can run 20 miles the next day so that I can get on the bike and do that the day after it all compounds. Yeah,

Jack Weidner: 39:32

so you've just kind of roped everything into this goal of yours. Yeah, all aspects of your life. How do you so this seems like an all consuming thing. And I am curious how do you fit in work into this day and school and to this day, you know, like what takes precedent like how does all of this fits your life? That's part of the fun God like the little rather brain is like yeah, it's

Harry Weidner: 39:59

that's part of the fun. It's like, how can I get all of this stuff into this day? Yeah, how can I wake up early in the morning and get my run out of the way, and then be ready for what I have to do throughout the whole day, and then have enough time and nights that I can stretch and go to bed and get a good sleep and do it all again. Okay. It's all very fun. And I love it. And this is something that I'm gonna say, like, if anything's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. So there are these like running gels that you can get that provide you carbohydrates on your run, because you're burning, like 100 calories. Well, I don't know how many calories you burn, I'll burn like 1200 calories on the 10 mile run. So I burned a lot of calories. And you need to be fueling during these runs. And there's chemistry involved in this as well. So some of these things, Bill, some of these companies, they'll sell you like this carbohydrate mix, and I was like, Well, I'm not gonna buy the carbohydrate mix. So I'm just gonna make my own. So I bought maltodextrin and fructose. And I've been I was testing different ratios of multi dextran to fructose to mix into a bottle. Well, I run now I've settled on one part, multi dextran 2.8 parts of fructose, which gives me about 40 grams of carbs. So that's 22 grams of malted extra and 17.7 grams of fructose, which is about 40 grams of carbs, which is about what I need for an hour run. Wow. So I made my own stuff. It's it's all it's all. It's all great for me.

Jack Weidner: 41:37

I don't know. This isn't how I thought this is gonna go. I didn't realize you have this down to such a science. And it was I know, that's fun for you know, I got it. That's how I

Harry Weidner: 41:50

do everything. I didn't know it's it. If people listen to the coffee episode, like, yeah, it's, it's, it's all the same behaviors. And it might be a problem. Sure. But it's all the same, like kind of thing. And I just apply that to everything that I'm interested in passionate about in light. Yeah. And it's the same thing that I do with work. And the same thing that I do in school, and just you

Jack Weidner: 42:15

connect work and school to running, I guess it's like, I know that they're interconnected, because it's all in a day, do you? I mean, I guess it's your mindset behind it all. That's like, No,

Harry Weidner: 42:27

I don't I when I'm working out, I'm working out. And when I'm in school, I'm in school. And sometimes I'll use running as time to think about other things and like what I need to do and how I need to plan my day, but I really don't tie them together at all. And I think that's necessary. The compartmentalization of it all. You're

Jack Weidner: 42:46

so good at compartmentalizing. Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 42:49

I try. I really try.

Jack Weidner: 42:52

What, um, what do you think about what you run?

Harry Weidner: 42:57

Well, I used to run with headphones and music. And then I stopped doing that. Don't say silence. I don't listen to anything. Oh, God. I just go. You're a serial killer. No, it's, it's it's okay, might not be normal, but it's really valuable time for me.

Jack Weidner: 43:20

Okay. Why?

Harry Weidner: 43:23

Because I'm not focused on listening to music, and I'm not even listening to a podcast. I'm just like, it's very introspective. Okay. And it's time that I don't really otherwise have

Jack Weidner: 43:37

30 And just about yourself, are you thinking about life? You said, You're not thinking about work?

Harry Weidner: 43:43

I try not to think about work. It's not directed. And that's why I think it's so valuable. Because you just kind of let your mind wander. You're getting into flow. That's what you're doing. Yeah. Okay. You just kind of let your mind wander and go where it needs to go. And oftentimes, it will land on the most important thing that you need to think about.

Jack Weidner: 44:06

Okay, this I can understand. Yeah, because I when, yay. So it's like meditative.

Harry Weidner: 44:16

Yeah, it really is. It's awesome. It's great. So you need to

Jack Weidner: 44:19

be running 20 miles to silence your brain.

Harry Weidner: 44:23

No, not 20. But like, a good a good eight, eight to 12 miles. I come back and I feel so much better after. And like on Wednesday, I wanted nothing more than to get home from class and leave and go on a run. Because I just had too much on my back. I had way too much on my shoulders. And I couldn't get out and go for a run because I had a million things to do for work. But I know that if I had gone for a run I would have felt much better after rushed another time. Yeah. But it Yeah, I listened to him laughing because it lets my mind wander in it. It sort of helps me center myself.

Jack Weidner: 45:08

How does running compared to the gym?

Harry Weidner: 45:12

It's different in the gym is is more of an intense like, push, push, push, go go go. Yeah. Whereas running is is more meditative as you said.

Jack Weidner: 45:24

There's like a there's like an enlightened Terry that came that is existing in Boston that I never knew before. But I mean, are you running is a part of it? No know like you are always just like a GO GO GO GO GO GO GO person. And at some point you you started reading books. And you became that's that's my joking way of saying you became very introspective. You're like, dude, have you read this book? I'm like, I don't even though you could read.

Harry Weidner: 45:56

And

Jack Weidner: 46:00

and you've started becoming very introspective. You started journaling. And it sounds like running has been a big part of that. I did that happen naturally Did you meet?

Harry Weidner: 46:12

I mean, I've journaled I've journaled for years. So that's not new. Right. I have I have journals going back to like, senior year of high school. Wow, I

Jack Weidner: 46:23

didn't okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, that was so that's not new. Were they as introspective? Are you telling me that? I'm like that your review? You've revealed this side of yourself to me, but it's not. It's not new? No,

Harry Weidner: 46:35

I think it's just progressively me getting older and growing. Okay. But I think I have applied the same principles that I applied everything to reading and to trying to be interesting.

Jack Weidner: 46:49

You definitely have. Yeah, you you have approached being introspective in a very militaristic way. Right? Like,

Harry Weidner: 46:58

with with, but with my kind of intensity that Yeah, I like,

Jack Weidner: 47:02

you're like a German, you're like from 12 to 1230. I will be introspective as it is just like you're just sitting there at your desk like staring just being

Harry Weidner: 47:10

very

Jack Weidner: 47:13

introspective. It's like 1230 hits, like, alright, that's, we're done with that. But

Harry Weidner: 47:18

it's the compartmentalization. And that's what works for me.

Jack Weidner: 47:22

It's that personal discipline that I think is really interesting. Yeah, I love discipline. Yeah. And that's, that's a really big thing. And that's something that I can never understand. In you, you know, because

Harry Weidner: 47:35

I hold myself to the highest standard that nobody else can hold me to. Yeah, I am harder on myself than anyone else could possibly be. Yeah. And I have to be disciplined in that discipline has to be internal. Because then I won't, if, if, if I'm not internally disciplined, then I would disappoint myself. So I hate disappointing myself. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 48:11

So so that's a very isolationist mindset to what you're doing. So like, you're gonna run 20 miles. And if you don't do that, you'll disappoint yourself, because that's what you have set up in your plan. Tomorrow. You said that you've started getting in a community running is very much a community, from my understanding of it. It's like, you know, like, rock climbing, skiing, you know, there are these communities. And marathon running is actually a different community, unlike trail running. And you know, there's like sex. How did the mindfulness aspect of running come to you organically and in, in, in, in, in an individual sets? Or did it come from being introduced to people that look at running as very much that kind of like mindfulness, I don't want to say like, there's like a lot of granola bars, but you look at them and they are then it's like, I think it's hard to be around those people. Like when I got a snowboarding lesson. I said, dude, a lot because he was just the name was Riley was very chill. And I felt like I was back in high schools, like snowboarding with my boss dollar, just like messing around and my vocab like, my, my, my mindset changed. Yeah. How has that influenced your progression with running? Maybe it hasn't? Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 49:31

if anything, I started the whole running journey alone. And I've only recently been introduced to this community of running. So I'm not sure that I've had enough exposure to the community of running to sort of absorb anything that's going on there yet. Because of this just started with the marathon training, and not even the first couple of weeks of marathon training like it started probably week four. five or six of marathon training. And so I've only been running with people on long runs for eight weeks,

Jack Weidner: 50:08

is that something you're excited about? Is that something that you're just like? Well, this is you know what it is, or,

Harry Weidner: 50:13

you know, it's, it's, it's, it's fun, especially being in Boston, because when we go out tomorrow, and we run a lot of the marathon course, so we'll run 10 miles out of the course, and 10 miles back of the course. And along that course, it will be nothing but runners. There is sort of something, some net that you feel supporting you from the running community of Boston, which is neat, which is why I originally wanted to start running the Boston half marathon in the first place. Because I associated Boston with running. And it's

Jack Weidner: 50:56

almost like a weird, so I guess it's

Harry Weidner: 50:59

it's very, yeah. I mean, the Boston Marathon is like a legendary marathon.

Jack Weidner: 51:04

i Yeah, but like Boston is a legendary city for so many reasons. I just think it like says a lot about you, that you associated with the marathon.

Harry Weidner: 51:13

I think of the marathon is something that is super attainable. You know, it's a hard goal, but I like it because it's hard. Yeah. And, and the future of my fitness journey. I'm afraid I probably caught this bug. And I don't see myself stopping anytime soon. Like, this will not be my last marathon. I will probably end up doing an ultra marathon. I will probably end up doing Iron Man's if I if I can start to swim and bike and triathlons. Like I just see myself kind of doing it all because it scratches all of those little issues that we talked about. For me. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 51:58

So that's so interesting.

Harry Weidner: 52:02

It's fun, and it keeps me very grounded. Where the rest of my life tends to be scattered. And, you know, I try to give it order.

Jack Weidner: 52:12

But this is a you I think, you you're like a filter that takes outward things, channels them into you, and then gives them order on the other side.

Harry Weidner: 52:28

I like the order.

Jack Weidner: 52:30

Yeah.

Harry Weidner: 52:31

I like the order. I love structure. And this was just another thing that I can do.

Jack Weidner: 52:39

That gets that done. Does the fact that you were running, philanthropically inspire you more not at all? Like, is it something you think about a lot? You're like, proud that you're doing it? For a philanthropic purpose? Yeah. Is it just kind of like your way in? That's cut this out?

Harry Weidner: 53:00

No, no, no, I'll keep it in. Because I have an interesting relationship with the way that I think about it. It was It is a great way to be running Boston marathon for something that I care deeply about, and something that's sort of intertwined with my future. Yeah, but some part of me can't help. But I feel like I'm a fraud. Right? knew a marathon, because I don't have a goddamn qualifying time. I'm so happy and so grateful that I that I'm on this team, and running for for charity and fundraising money that will benefit a lot of lives. But God damn it, I will fucking qualify for the Boston Marathon at some other point in my life, and I will run a sub three hour marathon, if it kills me. Because I have to feel like I'm doing it. I don't want to say right, but like, I have to qualify for the Boston Marathon.

Jack Weidner: 53:57

Right? Okay. That's what I thought. Yeah. Like, I thought you'd be like, the cars. Amazing. It fuels me however.

Harry Weidner: 54:06

Yeah, it's true. It's like, I don't know. I want to do it. Right.

Jack Weidner: 54:14

I will say doing it right. Is Here I go. Here I'm about to sit. Doing it right is not necessarily qualifying. Because I think what you have to ask is doing something, right is what you're doing it for and while you're getting it, so if you're doing it for getting the right time. I guess that's fine. But like running in the Boston Marathon, there is not a wrong way to run in the Boston Marathon. If I was running the Boston Marathon, which I would never do, because I hate running, I would walk a marathon. I love walking, but I wouldn't follow the path. I'd like Oh, this looks good. This one is fine. But I think doing it philanthropically. What fulfill me more than getting a qualifying time. Because you're still hitting a benchmark, do you know that you had to raise$7,000? And you raise $7,000? Going? Well, not yet going. That is going towards a good cause. Yeah. And in some ways, I think that's the right way.

Harry Weidner: 55:18

Yeah. But I don't I still to this day, don't see it that way. I do not consider myself a runner. Right. You know, like I'm running, but I'm not a runner. I

Jack Weidner: 55:29

wrote a book. I don't consider myself a writer. So I get that. Yeah.

Harry Weidner: 55:33

I don't know. They're there. Like I said, there is that part of me that will eventually qualify for the boss. Yeah. And then I'll run it again. And it'll feel different. It'll feel like I'm

Jack Weidner: 55:45

so interested in. And we don't have time to talk about this. But at some point, I really want to talk about the mindfulness aspect of it, because I thought you were like, total grind boy, like growth mindset about the running, which you are. But there is a mindfulness aspect to it that I really relate to, in a totally different way. And I'd love to talk about the way you and I find rest. Because I think like, and see I hate admitting this because I'm reading this book that was recommended to me, called MC mindfulness, about how the West completely like, monopolized and commercialized this idea of like, like, Eastern mindfulness, so Buddhism, and meditation, and now I'm like, I hate. I hate overthinking about this, because that, you know, has been such a big part of my life since I was a kid, like, tried to do the meditation, like the religious aspect of it. But now I'm like psychoanalyzing myself, it's like, Am I just an asshole? I don't know. But the way you describe running is very much the way I like to, I love to get into that Zen state. Because I can get into flow. When I write writing a paper, I could do a 10 page paper, I wake up, and then I'm like, No, I did it. I love getting the flow. Getting into flow is my favorite thing. Meditating is different for me a little bit, because I don't have an agenda. When I'm getting it to flow with writing, I have a goal. And it's about finding that goal. I once described writing an academic paper as like, carving a statue, because you, you have this rough idea, but you really have to get into the trenches. And it is worth as you know, your car, each word, you're figuring out. So like, when I get into flow with writing, or you know, like, and I'll allow myself to explore and experience but it's in it's like this artistic or whatever. When I meditate, it's me trying to silence my brain, which is so seldom going slow, because I'm constantly anxious. Is and it's allowing my brain to freely and slowly wander from place to place, which is so helpful and freeing. And I, you know, I opened my eyes, and it is, like, I feel centered. And I wonder if that's how you feel after like, a good run or something.

Harry Weidner: 58:33

Yeah, like,

Jack Weidner: 58:35

I feel grounded. I feel connected to life again, in a way that when I'm just living my normal, chaotic life, I feel like I'm tethered, but barely. And then Meditation allows me to feel grounded. Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 58:55

I would say it's a similar, it's a similar way. It's it, but it's a different feeling than running. You know, I am

Jack Weidner: 59:04

sure it hits us rattling but

Harry Weidner: 59:06

yeah, it's it's a different feeling. Because I think when you run and finish a tough run like that, you've done something very hard. And, and it's, it's this instant gratification of I just did that. And I feel really proud of myself for having done that. Whereas meditation, yes, it's hard. But I don't want to say it's like running 15 nose. Yeah, you know, it's it's a different it's a different kind of grounding and centering yourself. And feeling you know. Yeah. But yeah, we can talk about that more later. Yeah, I gotta get back to work.

Jack Weidner: 59:54

I got to go do shit. So well. Thanks. i

Harry Weidner: 59:58

This was good. I didn't think this was gonna be Good one. Oh, I put I had fun. I

Jack Weidner: 1:00:03

literally just wanted to talk to you about this. I had no idea. I was so curious. Because like, I like to walk and wander and hike and kayak, but I would not God, I've gone to the gym with you and just been like, shoot me. Like you kick my ass at the gym, not like you do things. You do things that I can't do, but like you just like, you're just like, let's, let's get into Let's get after a little bit. Boy, that's good, athletic. And I'm like, Oh my god. So I'm curious where that came from.

Harry Weidner: 1:00:31

Yeah. And running, running gives that to me as well.

Jack Weidner: 1:00:35

I'd love to talk skiing with you sometime too, because I realized, like, when I was talking with Haley, I was just talking about like, feeling the mountain in and out of your edges and like, I'm just like, Oh, God, I want to talk. I want to see how Harry would teach someone how to ski.

Harry Weidner: 1:00:50

I don't think I would teach someone how to ski very well.

Jack Weidner: 1:00:52

I'm just curious. Okay. I will wrap it up because I have to get back, Harry. Thanks for chatting.

Harry Weidner: 1:00:58

This is, man,

Jack Weidner: 1:00:59

I had a blast. I don't know how you're gonna actually cares. But I was so curious. It is so much fun to hear your mindset. And for me, because I've gotten to watch you grow so much. It really like helps me tie up some of the questions that I have and understand you better because I've watched from an outsider's perspective, but getting to hear your perspective on things really is just so much fun as your brother. All right, thanks. Thanks for sticking around and listening to this episode. Happy one year if you've been listening since episode one if you haven't happy one year anyways. Welcome. Welcome aboard our MIDI. I don't know why that we don't have a pirate. All righty. Thank you for sticking around. See how this mess unravels and we'll see you in two weeks. And don't forget to email us at artangel minds at ease and ominous hammertoes week everyone