Harry Weidner: 0:04

All right, welcome back to our tangled mines. Welcome to Arts. I'm Harry Weidner. I'm Jack back. NAT is you got it this time.

Jack Weidner: 0:12

I got it. I'll do it. I got it.

Harry Weidner: 0:14

Welcome to mid January episode 22.

Jack Weidner: 0:17

That's it. We're episode 2022 Happy

Harry Weidner: 0:19

New Year. Things are good. I'm back in Boston, Jack's back in Maryland. I was just saying how it's nice to be back on. Like my home base laptop. I'm comfortable in my desk, my bedroom again. And we'll have the regular intro and outro music so that I won't have to say anything.

Jack Weidner: 0:41

You are a creature of habit. And yeah, it

Harry Weidner: 0:43

just it just feels good. I'm, I started class yesterday and you and I didn't we didn't chat about this when we know I wanted to ask her that. Yeah, it was fine. I think it's gonna be really cool class. It's data to dashboards. And oh, yeah, well, I'm a slot for a good data visualization. So I I'm actually really looking forward to it

Jack Weidner: 1:03

just a whore for Excel sheet.

Harry Weidner: 1:04

Yeah, it's it is it really is like Excel, making dashboards in Excel. Anyway, what's new with you? What's going on?

Jack Weidner: 1:13

Nothing. diddly squat. I saw Sondheim's Stephen Sondheim's last Broadway show. It was off Broadway. So I guess it was his last musical ever. Wow. This past weekend, it was incredible. Well,

Harry Weidner: 1:28

what was it?

Jack Weidner: 1:28

It was called? Here we are. And it was a lot of people in the audience. I hate going to shows. Because inevitably I will come across people of my own breed theater children. And I hate them. I hate seeing shows with theater kids. It's a terrible and I'm gonna

Harry Weidner: 1:47

get a lot of hate. Now you know what it was like growing up with you? Dude,

Jack Weidner: 1:50

I can't even imagine. It was like growing up with me. It's like we you know, like, we sit there and then, like we say things where we're like, oh, well, I like I literally heard someone say, I like surrealist theater, but only if it's accessible. And then I don't like it. I'm like, okay, so you don't like surrealist theater. You like weird things that you understand. Like, that's not like you're not supposed to understand, whatever. It doesn't matter. But like the people say these things that I just kept hearing surrealist surrealist surrealism, like, I don't know, if it's surrealist? Like, what's happening is absurd. I guess a realist is absurd. I don't know. It was a big thing. But essentially, it's it's very, like waiting for good dough, where it's like, weird things. Like we're like, we're getting very philosophical. It's very metaphysical, physical, and you know, now I sound like the people at the frickin shop. You

Harry Weidner: 2:42

are the people at the show. I know.

Jack Weidner: 2:45

Essentially, there's people go into a restaurant, things are going wrong. And at some point, they get stuck in a room. So the first act is then finding a place to eat. And the second act is that being stuck in the place that they ate. Okay, and in like, crazy. Okay, no, nothing. You don't have to say anything. It was it was incredible. It was so the music I thought people said it was underdeveloped. I thought it was great. It reminded me and I love it because you talk to people who like Stephen Sondheim. And they'll say, Oh, I this sounded like this show that I just listened to two weeks ago. And I had just listened to Sunday in the Park with George. So it made me think of something different with George but people were like, Oh, I just saw Marilee and it sounds just like Marilee. And I'm like, okay, so what you're saying is it sounds like the Stephen Sondheim show that you just saw because so I thought he did a nice job. Like I don't think it was as like something else is other people said. Funny thing. I did see Alexis Buczek at the show. She was at the same show.

Harry Weidner: 3:47

Oh, Mom told me that you saw her and I went out and I don't remember

Jack Weidner: 3:50

that. It was Yes you do.

Harry Weidner: 3:52

I know. I like I know her name. And we're not like I don't know I wouldn't be able

Jack Weidner: 4:01

to my friend that I got drinks with thereafter. So that's nice. Yeah, it was nice. Cool. I got a Manhattan in Manhattan. Crazy. Yeah, very meta. Almost as mad as the shop look.

Harry Weidner: 4:13

what else what else is new? Anything good?

Jack Weidner: 4:16

Nothing. No, nothing? What is good? It snowed here. That's actually really nice to see. So there's snow

Harry Weidner: 4:22

here. And yeah, I love it. I was convinced that Boston was a fraud because when I got back here after there being like a foot foot and a half of snow back at home, there was no snow and it was warm. And it was nice. But no, it's it's properly cold here. And it's going to be 12 degrees tomorrow. Their shirt. Yeah. And there's snow and ice on the sidewalks. And you know, it's it's winter. We're in it.

Jack Weidner: 4:51

I get snow here and never snows here. When it snows here. It shuts down. It's nuts. No one is prepared. They shut down school today. Wow. They just closed it. There's not even snow collecting on the ground. They said it might snow.

Harry Weidner: 5:12

I think the like Brian, who lives down in Knoxville, he said they got some snow and like it was chaos down there. So it's these people go nuts South man. It's a weird place. Well, alright, well, I guess that's a good transition. Because what drive what happens when it snows, people can't drive. And so we're gonna talk about driving. Yeah, much like the other weeks Jack and I had no idea what to talk about this week. And

Jack Weidner: 5:46

I told her I want to be the Seinfeld of podcasts where we pick the most random topic about nothing and talk about it.

Harry Weidner: 5:54

Well, I think we're forgetting that the point of the pie, like, yes, the point of the podcast is to give people a product. Well, no, it was for us to catch up. Right? That's like my goal number one, but also like, maybe have some sort of intellectual conversations. Oh, yeah, sure. And well, you know, but who gives a shit? We'll talk about driving. Oh, I

Jack Weidner: 6:17

think we've had intellectual conversations. This week. I thought we needed to do something fun.

Harry Weidner: 6:22

Let's do yeah, we'll do driving. We'll have fun driving fun. This is I don't know started. You tell me. Let's, let's let's start with our history of driving. You and I learned how to drive at the exact same time. Yes, our grandfather said. If you want a car, you have to learn how to drive a standard transmission car. So he was the one to get us our first car. It was a probably 2016 Subaru Impreza?

Jack Weidner: 6:56

Yeah, I don't remember that. It was a tiny little. It was a tiny

Harry Weidner: 6:59

little hatchback. Subaru Impreza? You got it when you turn 16. Yeah,

Jack Weidner: 7:04

I mean, for me, it wasn't that simple. You took to it very naturally. And Dida explained the mechanics of the car to you. And you were like, Yes, I understood. And so you were better than me a driving stick. And I didn't understand it at all. And I was terrified. So my grandfather taught me in a cemetery. And, to quote he said, this is a good place to drive because all the people here are already dead. So you can't kill anyone. I was bad at it. And I was terrified to the point where I refuse to get my license. Until I didn't get my permit until like October. Really? I didn't know I delayed. Yeah, because I had I was terrified to take the car out on the road. I wasn't good enough. As a driver. I didn't feel confident. Hmm, my mom actually taught me that's terrible. She you know how? Isn't technical at all right? She was just like, Oh, you just do it. She's just like, you just feel the rhythm. And that's what I did. That makes sense. Like, uh, yeah, it was for me. It was just a rhythm. It was a rhythm. Yeah.

Harry Weidner: 8:15

I think. I don't know. I loved it. Like I loved going out.

Jack Weidner: 8:21

We have to explain. We don't have to. We don't explain driving stick shift to people. Right. You

Harry Weidner: 8:26

got three. You got a clutch, brake and a gas. Figure it out? I don't know. But yeah, so that's how Jack and I learned how to drive. And then Unlike you, I got my permit, like the very first day that I could I waited a long I went up with data. We got the permit. Got the whole spiel. Did you do brands? Yeah. Shout out brands driving school. Yeah, they gave probably 90% of last month driver's license. So we didn't have to do the DMV test.

Jack Weidner: 9:02

In Pennsylvania, you are not required to take drivers at for those that don't know. Is that do other states work differently? Yeah, Maryland. You have to take it. I don't know about other states.

Harry Weidner: 9:13

I couldn't. I have no idea that you now have a different car. I know how to have a different car. And we drive differently. My car is

Jack Weidner: 9:23

not that different from an Impreza. I drive a Crosstrek. And it's still I still drive a stick. And

Harry Weidner: 9:30

I wish I still drove a stick shift. But I do love my four. I have a four runner. I love that car. Still, I think regardless of what we drive, you and I drive very differently. Incredibly do. And I don't even know how you want to start this like

Jack Weidner: 9:51

how do you drive Harry Tell me tell me how you drive because I'm gonna like shit on you. My driving

Harry Weidner: 9:57

is I'm gonna go from point A to point B as safely as possible,

Jack Weidner: 10:01

which is such bullshit, because sorry, not to jump on you, because you didn't start driving like that until you went on granola and crossed the country. Okay, you used to drive 600 You You drove an Audi, and you drove 600 miles an hour. And if someone gotten your way, I think you would have killed them. Had they not been in a crosswalk? You would drive shirtless? Like I still there was that wasn't mad there were there were just no rule. Like you were not a safe driver. A steady driver like this, like I'm gonna get somewhere safely was not in your now it is.

Harry Weidner: 10:44

Okay. Yes. I used to have a very fun car to drive. I've gotten two speeding tickets. Sue me. And you know, it's

Jack Weidner: 10:53

one of them. You're going 90 and a 55. With

Harry Weidner: 10:56

Michael rover. Yeah. But it was a beautiful day. I was in my grandfather's convertible. And when you're going like 100 miles an hour, and you see blue lights behind you. You're you know, and you're 17 or 18 years old, you're not even in college yet. You're like, oh, I guess I'm spending the night in jail. You know, so many things were going through my head when I saw the lights behind me. And I was like, This is it like, Michael, you're gonna have to figure it out how to get home, I'm gone. And He only wrote me if the car who

Jack Weidner: 11:30

has stick shifts. So Michael can drive stick that was the fear and hit and Michael's mind was that he was gonna be able to drive out.

Harry Weidner: 11:38

Yeah, the officer wrote me for five over. So both of my speeding tickets, I was going well over five over, I only got written for five over. I

Jack Weidner: 11:47

was also with Michael for my first speeding ticket. And Michael was shocked at how that worked. Because I was going it turned the road turn 65. And I was going 70 but it hadn't turned 65 yet. So the guy got me going 70 and a 55. And he also did the thing where he marked me for five over and Michael, who you swore to secrecy kept just going I can understand that I don't understand. I was like what he said, Well, your brother was he said that they did the same thing. They're

Harry Weidner: 12:23

just I think, like, I don't know, I was nice to the guy. I was like, I'm so sorry. So we both have speeding tickets. And then I might sort of drive it, i Yes, I was a little bit reckless of a driver. And I do have my two tickets, and that's fine. But then I got a new car, and I did my cross country road trip. And when you have nothing to do, but drive all day long, you think about driving differently. You know, when when your primary mode of transportation across the country is I'm going to be in this thing for like, anywhere from four to 12 hours, which was like the span of driving that I did per day. You know, you're just like, I'm gonna get there. I'm just gonna go I'm gonna put on cruise control. And I'm just gonna go, you know, you put on cruise control seven over the speed limit, which is like a nice sort of rule of thumb, and you just kind of go, you don't really need to weave in and out. You just, you just go. And so that's where I got, like, we could say that I matured by my prefrontal cortex has grown.

Jack Weidner: 13:39

Maybe I will say you're also never late to things. No, I

Harry Weidner: 13:42

leave early. I leave early. You know, it's like, right,

Jack Weidner: 13:45

you have afforded that that's a, that's a luxury. Being like, I'll get there when I get there and still get there on time. Some of the population not going to name names. This guy does not allow himself that luxury.

Harry Weidner: 14:01

So I would say that you are an aggressive driver.

Jack Weidner: 14:05

I'm not aggressive. I am assertive. And

Harry Weidner: 14:08

this is where we're gonna get into an argument. Yeah, because

Jack Weidner: 14:11

I'm a seeker so why like why? What do you mean? Why? Because people are idiots and they'll take advantage of you all day. There are rules. I'm not a big rules guy. But like if you come to a stop sign, and I'm there before you don't fucking go, like your little like your ford f 150 can fucking sit there for two seconds. I do not care.

Harry Weidner: 14:37

But like, why get mad about it? Because people are dumb. Yeah, but that's just a fact of life. Like, you will be surrounded by idiots all day long. And don't don't get me wrong. Yes, pisses me off. But there are things that you can control and things that you can't control. And like, I think it's totally pointless to get mad about Driving. So

Jack Weidner: 15:00

So here's, here's what happened. I used to be, I think, a very passive driver, because I learned from my grandmother. And then I was driving in New York. And mom said, See, I don't think you can live here. You're too nice of a person. And I wanted to prove to mom that I could live in New York City. So I said, Well, I'll start by showing her that I can drive here. So I just tried, and eventually succeeded it being very comfortable in driving in an urban environment by cutting people off, or not, like purposefully, like, I don't purposefully cut them off. It's just like, I'm gonna go, I need to be in this lane. So I'm going to go in that lane.

Harry Weidner: 15:48

Why do we think that that's an appropriate way to get around like I live in? I live in a very large city, and I have a very large car. And my driving has gotten me around thus far. I don't need to be aggressive.

Jack Weidner: 16:03

But you I can't even imagine how long it takes you to get somewhere in Boston. Boston is the worst city I've ever driven in. It makes absolutely no sense. And the people are nuts. And the roads are thin, they're tearing. It's terrible. It's terrible to drive to drive the way I drive because your car couldn't do it.

Harry Weidner: 16:22

But I think I think that that's just proof that there's no need to be an aggressive driver.

Jack Weidner: 16:28

I drive I leave for things five min. Okay, so So let's, let's go back. Let's let's take it back. Let's explain more about Jack's backstory. Jack commuted Jack toxin, third person, he commuted to sick to school, 45 minutes away, there and back for two and a half years. And Jack is late to things. And sometimes he had eight, I'm still talking in third person. Sometimes I had eight AM's and I'm not a morning person. So I would show up late. And I didn't want to be late all the time. And sometimes people's stupidity would get in my way of getting somewhere on time, and that I don't have that I cannot stand. It's like, yeah, everyone has places to be. And I'm not saying My place is more important. But if you are driving like you're the only person on earth, don't get in a car. Don't even step foot in a car. And I don't want to alienate our audience. The number one offender of these trucks. I hate truck drivers. They drive like why do you need a truck to like, it's just whatever. But they just drive like they're the only people on the face of the earth.

Harry Weidner: 17:49

I would say truck drivers drive relatively fast as they do talking about Yeah,

Jack Weidner: 17:55

except they don't use turn signals, or the like drive according to condition like Mum Mum or they're just like,

Harry Weidner: 18:02

she's a special case.

Jack Weidner: 18:04

Dude. Like, truck. I think truck drivers drive fast. See if I'm behind a truck driver, and they are like tailing me, but I'm already going 20 miles an hour over the speed limit. I'm like, why are you going so fast? But then I'll pull up behind a truck driver. And there'll be going slowly, and I'm like, if you're gonna have a truck, at least drive like it. You know what I mean? Like, what are you doing? drive like a jerk. Go ahead. Drive fast. Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 18:31

I don't know. I don't let things like that bother me.

Jack Weidner: 18:35

I do. Yeah. I really tried to be a pretty passive person in my regular life. You put me behind the wheel of a car. And

Harry Weidner: 18:43

that's really because mom told you that she didn't think you can live in New York City?

Jack Weidner: 18:47

I think so. I think yeah. That's when it started where I was determined to be an assertive driver. I'm not aggressive. I don't get road rage.

Harry Weidner: 18:56

Yes, I will do yes. You know,

Jack Weidner: 18:58

did this is my thing. You will you will never pass my driving. I will say terrible things about the person in front of me and you'll flip people, but it will never impact my driving. Like, I won't change the way I drive for these people. Road rage to me is someone who like inconveniencing you and you like chasing them down the highway to like make eye contact with them. Or like becoming like, like actually like using your car as a weapon somehow, or pulling out a gun and killing someone else that's road rage. I will call someone a schmuck. I will flip them off. And then I go on with my day. I don't remember that. You know, it's just like I'm in the heat of the moment.

Harry Weidner: 19:50

So you've altered your definition of road rage.

Jack Weidner: 19:54

I think I've I think come up with a more accurate definition of road rage. All right. auditioned

Harry Weidner: 20:00

age to meet to qualify you as not having roadwatch. I just do.

Jack Weidner: 20:08

I think you're bound to get angry. Behind the wheel of a car. No,

Harry Weidner: 20:15

I like and I'm not saying that I don't get angry. But I don't really yell at people that don't use my horn all that much. Oh, well.

Jack Weidner: 20:24

I mean, you got to use your horn.

Harry Weidner: 20:26

And I, you know, I make it through. I make it through just fine. I don't know. I think the most important thing for me is that I literally worry that when you're on a road long road trip, you're going to get into an accident.

Jack Weidner: 20:42

Me? Yeah. I've never gotten into it

Harry Weidner: 20:46

better knock on fucking wood. Yeah. But it's like, I don't know. I think the thing that scares me the most about driving is people's inattention.

Jack Weidner: 21:02

Yeah, so I pay attention for them.

Harry Weidner: 21:04

I don't like that.

Jack Weidner: 21:07

You start drifting? You got to honk? Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 21:11

I don't know. Let's Well, now that we've covered our driving styles. Yeah. What do you think about? I mean, obviously, there are ethical considerations about driving. Sure. Let's I mean, the environmental impact. It's huge. It's huge. And my car does not get good gas mileage.

Jack Weidner: 21:32

It my car does. My car gets great gas mileage. But what do you think about the future of driving? Do you think there's a place for it or not? Yeah, of course, we're Americans. Like I'm done being optimistic about this. If I could not drive ever again. I would if there was a public rail system in this country. That was adequate. I would not have a car. I get into it. Like, if I can not have a car in a city. I just love that. Yeah, I was I was in New York. I parked my car. I never used it. Because I don't I don't want to. I just love to not love sitting on the subway. I bring a book. It's awesome. Like, I don't have to worry about I love public transportation. I mean to do I think that there is a future for driving. Absolutely, yeah. Because no one is going to spend money on a public rail system. Because what does that mean? That means Oh, no, I have to sit? Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say what I was about to say. I think it means tending to a demographic that not a lot of people want to deal with. I think it you know, like, George could very easily like, the rail system, the metro and DC. There is not a metro stop in Georgetown, because they didn't want a certain demographic of people getting off at Georgetown. Yeah, so you have to walk 20 minutes from foggy goggle, you know, it's like a whole thing.

Harry Weidner: 23:03

Yeah, it's, um,

Jack Weidner: 23:05

America's setup on cars. And I think it mirrors our love of freedom, because rails are bound cars, though, in two dimensions are still I mean, three dimensions, but like, you know, that we can't fly. But like, I think it's like cars are more free. Our road system is set up to be free. We like open land, our roads are set up for speed. Not efficiency. Not safety. Certainly.

Harry Weidner: 23:38

Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 23:41

What do you think? What is your?

Harry Weidner: 23:42

No, I? I share that.

Jack Weidner: 23:48

I know what I expressed that I hate driving. Yeah, you and you know, we're going to for this we're going to acknowledge again, the privilege of being able to drive the privilege of owning your car and the environmental Yes, but like that aside, do you like driving? Yeah. Would you continue to drive like explained I different levels? Well,

Harry Weidner: 24:08

I mean, yes, I live in a city but I do live in kind of a public transportation desert in Boston. Southie has one tea stop maybe two if you consider the JFK tea stop in Dorchester. But it's not. It's like the tea stops probably a mile away from me, which isn't all that he

Jack Weidner: 24:27

is Boston's Metro slash subways. Right? Just for those that

Harry Weidner: 24:33

I mean, it's it's pretty inconvenient. I take the bus to school yesterday. I walked half a mile to the bus stop and stood out in 20 degree weather for the bus to not show up. And like what do you do? Um, yeah, I was lucky enough to be able to call an Uber and get the class but like the bus simply didn't show up. So that's a pain in the ass. I wish the public infrastructure was more robust in This city so that I could easily get from point A to point B without having to drive. And I do that, but it has its limitations like the New York subway. That is a great public transportation system. You will get you can get pretty much anywhere in New York. Yeah, you know, you I would I would argue that you cannot get everywhere in Boston easily absolute with the T.

Jack Weidner: 25:25

And in a time, it shuts down at a certain Oh,

Harry Weidner: 25:29

there's a green losing. Yeah, they it does stop like

Jack Weidner: 25:33

it has it cuts it like what like 10 DC does the same 10 or 11, or something like that? I don't know. But

Harry Weidner: 25:41

like one time, Pat and I were trying to get home, we were up in the north end area. And we didn't know the green line was shut down for renovations. So we went to a Green Line station, we had to go green line to blue line to orange line two red line. Those are all the lines, I think we we practically hit all the lines. And it was awful. It took it took like an hour to get back. That was maybe two and a half miles away. They it's silly. And it takes me 30 minutes on the bus to go 1.2 miles. And yes, I could walk. But the area that I would walk through is not the most safe area. They call it math mile or, you know maths and Cass so not the greatest spot. I bought my bike there sometimes when the weather's nice, but it's 20 degrees here. So I don't like driving here. Sometimes it's necessary. I don't think I could live as easily here. If I didn't have a car as far as road trips go and driving long distances. I love it. I think that but I don't like it with people. I like it by myself. I like a solo drive. I like it's good, good, like time in my head that I that I appreciate which is the same reason why I like running without headphones, like just time that I'm really just focusing on my thoughts and not doing much else to. To just think it's good.

Jack Weidner: 27:12

You run without headphones. Yeah. Wow. Do you drive with music?

Harry Weidner: 27:18

Sometimes no. Like if I'm on if I'm on a road trip I do not.

Jack Weidner: 27:23

So what do you Okay, let's let's, let's transition into what we do while we drive. You're not a music guy.

Harry Weidner: 27:31

i i We've talked about music. I am not listening to as much music as I nearly have been. I've been listening to a lot of podcasts and a lot of audiobooks. While I drive.

Jack Weidner: 27:43

I my favorite time to do audiobooks is while I'm driving. It's because I can focus. I was gonna say completely on the book. I cannot focus on other books. I probably should focus a little bit on my driving. Yeah, um, yeah, I love audiobooks.

Harry Weidner: 27:59

I just got this app. It's called snipped s ni PD. And it's a podcast app and I pay for it. But it's so incredible, because a lot of the times when I'm listening to a podcast and I want to remember something like there are so many profound things that are said in podcasts, depending on which one to listen to. But like there are so many good little nuggets of information in a podcast. And this will like you can hit Create a snip, and it'll automatically like generate the transcript for that episode. And you can snip out the little tidbit. And then it sends you a a newsletter of all of your snips so that you can actively review them and say like, oh, this is what this person said. And this is what I wonder to remember. So I think that's really useful when I'm driving because if I hear something I don't like need to write it down. But yeah,

Jack Weidner: 28:50

I I keep a notepad in my car while you're driving. Yeah, and I'll write down things. You drive. Yes, all the time. I would

Harry Weidner: 29:04

like to this like that goes back to our grandfather he drove with that goes back to a

Jack Weidner: 29:07

grandpa, I would like to add a disclaimer. The one thing I hate about driving stick. I hate talking to car people about driving standard transmission. Because they assume I like cars or they're like they just take it they're like Oh, so you're a car enthusiast. Absolutely not stop talking to me about engines. They're like so you're a better driver? Probably not. Like do you feel more in tune with the road? I'm like, No, I drive with my knees while I eat tuna salad. Like, no, I'm not. I drive stick because my grandfather wanted me to learn. So I learned but it does not like I'm not like God I feel the road. Like I'd feel more confident performing open heart surgery than someone being like, can you fix my engine?

Harry Weidner: 29:59

No, you wouldn't. But,

Jack Weidner: 30:02

but like I equally indepted BOTH

Harry Weidner: 30:05

Yeah, no, I get that I I kind of appreciate the mechanical aspect of cars. What else? Yeah, with from like a car road trip.

Jack Weidner: 30:17

I sing a lot in the car, which is more it's spent it's more special now I think for me because I sing less in my day to day.

Harry Weidner: 30:27

Do you like driving alone or with someone? Um,

Jack Weidner: 30:31

I think I prefer to drive alone. But having someone in the car does not stop me from saying yeah,

Harry Weidner: 30:39

I you know. And we'll end it here because I do have to run today still. But I think that the original version of our podcast, this podcast was a striving to Toledo. Yes.

Jack Weidner: 30:54

I think about that all the time. That was actually my favorite car trip I've ever you know, us in the rental car. Driving to and from school. Yeah. That was my favorite car trip I've ever I think about that trip. Omaha.

Harry Weidner: 31:07

We had a lot of fun. And that was I would honestly say the first. Like that was that was podcast episode number one in my head because you

Jack Weidner: 31:15

showed me this American life. You showed me my two favorite Mac Miller songs. I showed you my favorite live version of banana pancakes. by Jack Johnson. We just had a lot of good conversations you gave me Blackwing 602 Which I still write with that exact same box Tuesday. I bought my rhyming dictionary because I was while you were sleeping. I was listening to a podcast on Stephen Sondheim. Yeah. Well look at us that look

Harry Weidner: 31:44

at that. That's funny. That's

Jack Weidner: 31:45

my favorite Carter have ever I can't believe Yeah,

Harry Weidner: 31:48

I love that car trip. That's that's where it all started. That's

Jack Weidner: 31:52

where it all started. That's where we liked each other. I think that was like the first time where that's where

Harry Weidner: 31:57

I was like, hmm, maybe we can be friends. Yeah. And here we are. I think it's all good.

Jack Weidner: 32:05

It's all worked out. No, that was fun. No, every time since, because we have not driven that we have not done that drive together. And while I miss it, I'm like God, like, I wish everywhere here. Yeah, I

Harry Weidner: 32:20

don't. I mean, when's the next time we're gonna be able to do a nice drive? God? I don't know. We'll figure it out. Honestly, probably me moving out of here. Or you moving up to? Oh, dude,

Jack Weidner: 32:33

if we could move you to where you might go to med school. That'd be sick. If because I've never been the move

Harry Weidner: 32:40

out to Colorado if I get in. Yeah, everyone hoped that I everyone if you know anyone at the University of Colorado medical

Jack Weidner: 32:47

school, if you're at all religious pray for her. Yeah, I

Harry Weidner: 32:51

hope that I just hope that I get in. We'll hear about whatever, God three to five weeks. Yeah,

Jack Weidner: 32:56

I was at what do you say? Well,

Harry Weidner: 32:58

it was two to three, or four to six. On January 5, so Okay, we're back. We're down to three to five. All right, um, what else that I want to say. It might sound like a big effort. But if you can please rate our podcast on Spotify or Apple podcasts. It takes about five seconds of your day, but it really does mean a lot to us. So if you could do that, and share if you can, and are willing, that was

Jack Weidner: 33:29

awesome. And email us any of your thoughts, questions, concerns, hates, likes, loves at our tangled mines@gmail.com I've read all of the emails. And once we get enough, we'll do an email response episode. And

Harry Weidner: 33:45

we're still trying to figure out I'm still marathon fundraising. Yeah, we gotta tell you got to figure out some sort of live stream thing.

Jack Weidner: 33:53

Let us know if you'd be interested in a live stream. Send us an email because send us an email and tell us if you want a live stream and like

Harry Weidner: 34:01

the podcast on Apple podcasts and Spotify. Yeah.

Jack Weidner: 34:06

All right. We're snipped, snipped

Harry Weidner: 34:08

it is on sniffed. Yeah, I mean, it's the same podcast database, but whatever. Who cares.

Jack Weidner: 34:15

Thank you. Thanks for sticking around seeing how this mess unraveled. This is a uplifting episode. I don't feel like my soul was destroyed, which is really what I look for in a meeting with you and we'll see